Saturday, September 17, 2005

And Behold, Their Tears Have Become Laughter...

Wow, it's been a while since I last posted. I thought I'd be able to do one a day, but stuff just kept coming up and...well, no excuses. Down to business.
I went to see a movie called Lord of War yesterday with a bunch of other honors program brats, and one of the great things about going with them rather than most college people is that we had a discussion on ethics while walking back. (I seriously think that the majority of my peers got dumber after they went to college, but that of course excludes anyone reading this blog.)
The topic of the conversation was the basic nature of evil. Much of it everyone has heard before, discussing religion and whatnot. But there was one new thing that I noticed, and I'm going to discuss it in terms of religion because I think it will be more interesting that way.
Okay. Point number one: Evil causes suffering. I think everyone understands that, but it is at the core of a major objection against religion and the belief in an omnipotent, all powerful, all good God. I.E., such a god should not allow suffering to happen because he is powerful enough to stop it and good enough to stop it.
But I realized, during our discussion, that there are two distinct phenomena under scrutiny here. Evil, as the cause, is completely separate from the suffering. Let me give an example. In the movie, the main character, a gunrunner, has no regard for the people he harms. He has no compunctions about selling guns to an army within sight of the villagers who are going to be massacred by those guns. But, such an existence drives him away from all that is truly human. He barely feels pain when his family disowns him, when his wife leaves him, when his brother is executed in front of his eyes. Evil men become the ultimate solipsists, alone and afraid of all that they do not control or understand.
In fact, in his case, the little pain he did feel when personal tragedy hit him was probably a good thing. It was, quite possibly, his last chance to realize what he had become and change his ways. It was his last connection to his humanity.
Of course, while suffering may be separate from evil, it is still an awful thing. But the other thing we considered in our discussion (and I must warn you now that it was here that we had the most disagreement) was those who suffer. We will not consider physical suffering (i.e. torture and death) here because as a religious discussion, the premise is that death is not the end, and any physical existence will be minute compared to any eternal one. So, consider emotional pain. While it is horrible, occasionally you find people living in complete depravity, who've lost loved ones, who are truly joyful. It's all too rare, to be sure, but it happens, and it goes to show that suffering is not the end-all worst thing that can happen to a person. (I think I described that two paragraphs up) In fact, I think that suffering can cause two very good things, while remaining (I can't overstate this) a very bad thing. First, it can cause people to realize how stupid they have become, a la the gunrunner in the movie. It's not a bad thing if a drug dealer realizes the error of his ways and turns to honest work if he gets, say, stabbed in a fight. Second, I think pain sometimes creates a sharp relief to joy, making it more meaningful. In The Great Divorce, C.S. Lewis talks about eternity as retroactively moving everything into place; to those in Hell, they had always chosen Hell; to those in Heaven, they had always been in Heaven. In the end, even the pain is made new to become something good, something strong, something real.
I'm now wondering if you're all completely lost because you haven't seen the movie. Dang it.

3 Comments:

At 12:49 PM , Blogger Emmett said...

I'll start off by writing my own comment on this one. I've just been informed that pretty much everything I wrote in this post is in C.S. Lewis' The Problem of Pain. I've read it before, but I didn't realize that I was covering similar ground. So anyone who wants to learn more about the ideas in this post should go read that book.

 
At 4:58 PM , Blogger Maren said...

Interesting...and no, not seeing the movie didn't deprive me of understanding (on my level) your thoughts.
Suffering and evil are seperate and yet connected. They tend to cause each other, and yet suffering can take place on its own, with no evil to instigate it. Take Hurricane Katrina. The Hurricane was nature, not evil. And yet, it caused suffering. Then again, in my opinon, the hurricane was caused because of the wickedness of the earth, so that just totally cancelled out everything I just said.

 
At 9:41 PM , Blogger Elder Child said...

I agree with Maren. Suffering can come to good people. There are many stories in the scriptures about how good people suffer at the hands of the wicked. Storms and other natural disasters affect many different types of people. There was a lot of filth in New Orleans, don't get me wrong. There was also some really good people. This event was not like S & G from the Scriptures because not everyone died. So that leaves room that this was because of the evil that went on there. That's not saying that's why (I don't know even if there was a purpose), it's just that it's a possibility. A lot of good can come from this, too.

The righteous put their faith in the Lord and do not blame the Lord, but rather trust that He will hear their prayers. In the end, our H.F. will free the rightous from their bondage in life or will reward them even more if they are faithful until their death. It's not for me to decide who is or who is not righteous, that's a matter for Him. Now that I start thinking about suffering, there are many facets to the subject. There are many ways, reasons, and attitudes toward suffering. The Atonement represented the greatest suffering. I love your title because out of tears can come rejoicing. The faithful have assurance that God will bless them after the trial of their faith.

There are many ways to look at suffering, and I could continue on and write a book about it. Maybe I'll check out Lewis' book. Here's a quote I read today:

"While we are in mortality, we have experiences that bring us happiness. We also have experiences that bring us pain and sorrow, some of which is caused by the sinful acts of others. There experiences provide us opportunities to learn and to grow, to distinguish good from evil, and to make choices. God influences us to do good; Satan tempts us to commit sin. As with physical death, we cannot overcom the effects of sin by ourselves. We are helpless without the Atonement of Jesus Christ"

 

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